Censorship

"Rev Hang Slows My Roll" (RevHang)
11/24/2014 at 23:03 • Filed to: None

I don't appreciate the rush to censor discussion of an important national issue. I understand that this is a social community focused on cars, but it is still a social community, and as long as the discussion is civil and respectful and maybe limited to a single post for the sake of clarity and clutter reduction, then the discussion and debate should be allowed. Thanks.

DISCUSSION (43)

Raphmoe > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:05

And yet other random bullshit is allowed to be posted all the time.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:06

The problem is, whenever something like this happens, the discussion is rarely civil.

Cherry_man1 > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:06

This has been talked about already.

jkm7680 > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:06

That's what the Cigar Lounge is for, but it doesn't seem like the mods want it there much either.

Vimto > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:07

It'll go from civil to all-out rage faster than a GT-R reaches 60.

Raphmoe > Vimto
11/24/2014 at 23:09

2.7 seconds!

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:09

Ask the mods why they don't want it... they will tell you why.

Raphmoe > Cherry_man1
11/24/2014 at 23:09

But what about the cars on fire?

Carlitos the Fünfer > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:09

Well said. Off topic posts aren't against the rules, but they seem to get deleted when people disagree with them.

To pretend as though race issues simply don't exist is an abuse of white privilege. Censoring this issue is exercising that abuse in one of the worst ways. This issue deserves a discussion. We as a majority white blog might be able to pretend like these issues don't exist, but people of color can't. They live it every day.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:11

I'm glad you understand it.

Rev Hang Slows My Roll > jkm7680
11/24/2014 at 23:12

I wasnt aware of the Cigar Lounge? Kinja is a maze of sub-blogs these days...

Cherry_man1 > Raphmoe
11/24/2014 at 23:12

What about them?

Xyl0c41n3 > Carlitos the Fünfer
11/24/2014 at 23:13

Exactly. One only has to look at what Oppo's demographics are to understand why topics that involve race or gender are generally frowned upon here. How dare we try to confront pervasive social issues, amirite?

-Signed,

a woman of color.

Raphmoe > Cherry_man1
11/24/2014 at 23:15

Can we post pictures of them?

Cherry_man1 > Raphmoe
11/24/2014 at 23:16

I say w/o context sure always neat to see burning cars.

Tinfoil Hat in a thunderstorm, now with added diecast > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:19

Can't there be a separate blog maybe called 'sewer works'? A place where shit fights can happen, you enter (or not) at your own risk? Seems like there is a need for people to discuss touchy subjects.

Raphmoe > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
11/24/2014 at 23:21

The problem, is that the moderators enjoy having power more than they enjoy actually policing off topic crap.

That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:23

I can get infuriating Ferguson talk on Facebook and literally everywhere else. I can get good car talk on Oppo. I don't see the need to mix them. That said, I'm not gonna just say don't talk about it. I'm just not gonna talk about it here.

Your boy, BJR > Xyl0c41n3
11/24/2014 at 23:24

Preach!

I'm sick and tired of Oppo throwing up a peaceful utopian facade. Sorry that all this "cop shooting an unarmed teen he swore to serve and protect" makes all the upper middle class white dudes on Oppo uncomfortable, but this is what's going In the world. Face it or shut the fuck up. Sorry we're shining a light on a sore subject they don't wanna fucking face. But sometimes fate just up and fucks ya. It's the way of the world.

It's an ugly fuckin' place and ignoring the shit doesn't make it not exist.

Wake up, oppo.

Rev Hang Slows My Roll > Tinfoil Hat in a thunderstorm, now with added diecast
11/24/2014 at 23:26

They are touchy because they are important.

Tinfoil Hat in a thunderstorm, now with added diecast > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:27

I agree.

Xyl0c41n3 > Your boy, BJR
11/24/2014 at 23:28

You? You I like!

Gamecat235 > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:28

Speaking only for myself. We structured the rules the way we did to allow for this. When there is something which is offtopic and controversial, make it obvious what the topic is, do not present anything which could be construed as an opinion in the subject or the first paragraph that appears.

I presented the following during the last Ferguson uprisings: http://backtalk.kinja.com/the-racism-tha…

I think it's a reasonable approach that meets the requirements that are outlined. Make it clear what is contained within. And be neutral in your initial framing.

jkm7680 > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:30

It's a cool place to vent, and have mature conversations. You should check it out!

Your boy, BJR > Xyl0c41n3
11/24/2014 at 23:32

Lol I didn't realize how many times I said fuck in that post until I read it just now. I guess the fuckin Jersey is leaking the fuck out tonight.

Shit.

Xyl0c41n3 > Your boy, BJR
11/24/2014 at 23:38

Dude, let your fuck flag fly! This Texas girl puts aside her Southern manners all the damned time to curse like a sailor. ^_^ And this is definitely a "fuck that noise" moment.

Your boy, BJR > Xyl0c41n3
11/24/2014 at 23:41

"fuck flag"

This is what I'm calling the doorknob Sock/tie from now on.

"Seriously? You didn't see that I was flying the fuck flag?"

DasWauto > Raphmoe
11/24/2014 at 23:42

Off topic crap doesn't necessarily need to be policed. Oppo is obviously massively car-centric but it is also Jalopnik's off-topic forum, these discussions are allowed, going about it in a shit stirring and/or dickish manner is not.

Posting the picture you did without qualification of your opinion and/or reasoning behind it only serves to rile people up and have them react erratically (read: shit stirring). Try a more reasoned approach and you'll see a reasonable response.

Xyl0c41n3 > Your boy, BJR
11/24/2014 at 23:44

Hehehe. Yeah... I was playing on the "let your freak flag fly" saying. I saw how it looked and said "fuck it!" and used it anyway. ^_^ Nice to know I'm starting a slang trend, though, lol. Good luck.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Raphmoe
11/24/2014 at 23:49

Yes...yes it is

Are you personally offended to your core by random bullshit?

Your boy, BJR > Xyl0c41n3
11/24/2014 at 23:50

child boo!

My freak flag is ALWAYS flying

YSI-what can brown do for you > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/24/2014 at 23:51

I bet you it won't be civil. It never is. This is the internet! I am all for discussing it, I honestly don't really care what people talk about on here.

Xyl0c41n3 > Your boy, BJR
11/24/2014 at 23:52

Boy! Who you callin' child? Lol.

Get it, son!

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Gamecat235
11/25/2014 at 00:06

I think the mods' efforts to curb another Oppo Uprising have been misunderstood, I get what you are saying and thats how I perceived what the mods said. But I think the posts regarding Ferguson should have been edited by the mods to comply with the rules and not deleted. I think the rules violations should have been handled better regarding this issue. Thats just my 2 cents

Übel > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
11/25/2014 at 00:15

Editing someone else's post is an integrity issue, since the mods would be effectively putting the words into the original poster's mouth. Deleting a post just sends it to drafts, if I remember correctly, so it gives the offender a chance to edit it and resubmit, or to resubmit as-is to a more appropriate forum (I believe Cigar Lounge?).

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Übel
11/25/2014 at 00:16

Ok, that makes sense. I actually like that solution, but the possibility of resubmitting it after editing it to comply with the rules should be more publicized

Gamecat235 > Übel
11/25/2014 at 00:21

Speaking only for myself, again, the only time I have edited others posts. It is clear what was edited and by whom. I think it is very important to make that distinction so that we do not appear to be unnecessarily censoring anyone. Or ever putting words in someone else's mouth. I have removed words in the past. Anything that is added is clearly marked as having come from me. For the exact reason you specified.

Übel > Gamecat235
11/25/2014 at 00:28

Ah, didn't realize you guys were still doing that, figured you had changed policy or something. Seems like I used to see it a lot more back towards the beginning of Kinja. Absolutely no issue with it, though.

The Transporter > Rev Hang Slows My Roll
11/25/2014 at 03:06

I created the Cigar Lounge as a place where off off topic discussions such as this could be had without any unecessary interference and leaving Oppo to be a place mainly for car chat. Unfortunately, it rarely gets used for that purpose as my schedule doesn't permit me to advertise it very much. I'll have to do something about that tomorrow. If you want in, let me know.

Raphmoe > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
11/25/2014 at 10:57

Yes.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Raphmoe
11/25/2014 at 14:43

Well that's simply unfortunate because I can guarantee not one of us admins will do anything about that.

Oppo ain't bout that life. So either accept it or keep using oppo begrudgingly or (against my desire) leave oppo. Those are your 3 choices

Thanks for being a user, we'd love to keep you

Raphmoe > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
11/26/2014 at 08:29

How many admins are there?

Thank you for the kind and honest response to my concern about random stuff being censored or not censored, it's appreciated.

Kinja'd!!!

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Raphmoe
11/26/2014 at 09:08

Thanks dude. I'm pretty damn happy you understand.

There may be around a dozen ?